tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post7748669465327625908..comments2023-10-30T06:13:34.382-04:00Comments on Supervisor Feiner: ONE WAY TO HELP THE CENTRAL 7 SCHOOL DISTRICTPaul Feinerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17087805120754057844noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-71977386830479694322007-07-08T01:12:00.000-04:002007-07-08T01:12:00.000-04:00Yes, 1:41 is definitely wrong. Hartsdale (GC7 at ...Yes, 1:41 is definitely wrong. Hartsdale (GC7 at the time) took the initiative to join with GC8. At the time, GC6 (Edgemont) was left to fend for itself (which turned out to be a good thing for them).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-47422819727325594102007-07-07T08:46:00.000-04:002007-07-07T08:46:00.000-04:00Anon at 1:41.You are wrong. Edgemont was willing ...Anon at 1:41.<BR/><BR/>You are wrong. Edgemont was willing to include Hartsdale students in its new High School. But Hartsdale would have had to pay. Hartsdale did a number of surveys and found the cost was an issue. <BR/><BR/>As to why Edgemont was not willing to join C7 (if in fact it was offered, please offer a link, etc.), you are making a quantam leap here. There are mnay reasons why Egemont may not have wanted to join -- lack of local control, distance to Warburg, concerns re academic standards. <BR/><BR/>But this doesnt really matter. Edgemont and Hartsdale made there decisions and will live wit them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-84800706124655778602007-07-07T01:41:00.000-04:002007-07-07T01:41:00.000-04:00Hartsdale was not invited to join Edgemont. Edgem...Hartsdale was not invited to join Edgemont. Edgemont declined joining C7 and willing went it alone not wanting to be part of the integration, These are the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-40869499710543034382007-07-07T00:00:00.000-04:002007-07-07T00:00:00.000-04:00I grew up in Yonkers, Beech Hill next to the Old E...I grew up in Yonkers, Beech Hill next to the Old Edgemont area. I was a kid and I don't know the whole story, but I remember that people were OUTRAGED that some of the neighborhood cut some deal to get that almighty Scarsdale ZIP code so they wouldn't have to claim that they lived in Yonkers. Having the Scarsdale address does actually up the selling price for those specific Yonkers houses.<BR/><BR/>Something similar happened in New Rochelle back in the day. The Wykagyl neighborhood didn't want New Rochelle as their address, so "somehow" they got their own ZIP code and can address their mail as Wykagyl NY, still to this day actually.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-43653980580900415872007-07-06T13:23:00.000-04:002007-07-06T13:23:00.000-04:00Yes, Hartsdale merged with G8 to save money. Dont...Yes, Hartsdale merged with G8 to save money. Dont know if Edgemont was invited or left in cold. Or the Edgemont people thought the Warburg campus was too far. As to foresight, the only thing I would draw from this is that Edgemont wanted to control their own destiny, even if it cost money.<BR/><BR/>I tend to think that G8 was largely minority, even then, but it may have been middle class (Gordon Parks, etc.). In any event G7 had the ability to join Edgemont. They didnt want to.<BR/><BR/>I dont know what you mean by successful integration, but when I was looking for a house in the 70s, the brokers told me I would be better off in White Plains than G7.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-15872936600640109942007-07-06T12:52:00.000-04:002007-07-06T12:52:00.000-04:00Fascinating discussion! Thanks for all the informa...Fascinating discussion! Thanks for all the information from the veterans of the area. Am i correct that the implication here seems to be that Hartsdale (G7) merged with G8 to take advantage of the Warburg bequest and, thereby save money in the short run? At that time, was G8 coterminus with 10607 and largely minority back then? A google search turns up some studies from the early 1960s presenting Greenburgh/Hartsdale SD as a model of successful integration! Some posters suggest that Edgemont was (serendipitously) left out in the cold by this merger. Was that really the case, or was it more a pro-active decision by Edgemont residents to be folded into G7/G8 -for a variety of reasons? In either case, the Edgemont residents of the 50s/60s were amazingly foresighted!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-7560284017691283072007-07-04T23:06:00.000-04:002007-07-04T23:06:00.000-04:00No, no part of Ardsley has a Scarsdale ZIP code. ...No, no part of Ardsley has a Scarsdale ZIP code. (You may be confused with what is Ardsley and what are southern unincorporated Greenburgh streets that are in the Ardsley school district and have an Ardsley ZIP code.)<BR/><BR/>Much of the history of local ZIP codes is not documented. A good amount of the decision making back in the day was under the table. Follow the 10530/10607 boundary line, and you can see why it's not documented. And the deal for most of southern unincorporated Greenburgh (Edgemont) and some specific houses/streets in Yonkers (Beech Hill) to get the coveted Scarsdale 10583 designation would also not be documented, but is well known by those of us who have been around here for many decades.<BR/><BR/>Similar decision making was made back in the day regarding unincorporated Greenburgh's school district lines. What was deemed of great importance, at the time, was to make clear that Greenbirgh 10607 was called White Plains and that it had a separate school district (Greenburgh Central 8).<BR/><BR/>Times have changed, of course, and none of this would be legal nowadays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-20190015486090917672007-07-04T13:56:00.001-04:002007-07-04T13:56:00.001-04:00I have no knowledge that the zipcode was changed.C...I have no knowledge that the zipcode was changed.<BR/><BR/>Can you send me to any proof of it? <BR/><BR/>And parts of Ardsley have a scarsdale PO -- i think this is historical -- not that someone had it changed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-30888072045706989962007-07-04T13:56:00.000-04:002007-07-04T13:56:00.000-04:00I have no knowledge that the zipcode was changed.C...I have no knowledge that the zipcode was changed.<BR/><BR/>Can you send me to any proof of it? <BR/><BR/>And parts of Ardsley have a scarsdale PO -- i think this is historical -- not that someone had it changed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-21422306227942270012007-07-04T13:34:00.000-04:002007-07-04T13:34:00.000-04:00Getting the "best" zipcode was a huge politically ...Getting the "best" zipcode was a huge politically fueled (and racial/socioeconomic) thing back in the day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-24825823763272825772007-07-04T08:25:00.000-04:002007-07-04T08:25:00.000-04:00I dont know about change of postal code. I do kno...I dont know about change of postal code. I do know that even now one part of Edgmonet has a Hartsdale zip code.<BR/><BR/>As to houses in Edgemont, even not in old Edgemont, being in close in price to Hartsdale, I find that difficult to beleive. I guess part of this equation is just how extensive this updating/maintenance difference was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-28545069164506221452007-07-04T08:06:00.000-04:002007-07-04T08:06:00.000-04:00I was made to understand by one of the old timers,...I was made to understand by one of the old timers, that Edgemont had a Hartsdale post office address, and the people fought to have it changed to Scarsdale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-30565627849507713792007-07-04T00:25:00.000-04:002007-07-04T00:25:00.000-04:00When Hartsdale chose to do the GC7-GC8 merge, I re...When Hartsdale chose to do the GC7-GC8 merge, I remember that GC6 (Edgemont) was basically left to fend for itself. They've done an impressive job developing a top-notch school system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-44608654638395818062007-07-04T00:04:00.000-04:002007-07-04T00:04:00.000-04:00To 1:43 ... The Hartsdale house was better maintai...To 1:43 ... The Hartsdale house was better maintained/updated. But we chose our Edgemont home primarily because of the schools, despite the higher taxes. There's actually a variety of houses in Edgemont; most Edgemont residents don't live in the high-priced, vocal "Old Edgemont" area.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-25684689582383694002007-07-03T23:32:00.000-04:002007-07-03T23:32:00.000-04:00Hartsdale was originally its own district. Edgemo...Hartsdale was originally its own district. Edgemont was Greenburgh 6, Hartsdale was Greenburgh 7 and then there was G8 also. Hartsdale had an elemtary school, and then sent students to Seely Place for education up to grade 10. Then the Hartsdale and Edgemont students went to Scarsdale. Bill Greenwalt attended Hartsdale schools at that time, then went to Seely Place and then Scarsdale high. In the 60s with increasing enrollments, Scarsdale notified Edgemont and Hartsdale that it would no longer be taking out of district students. Hartsdale conducted studies, etc. and decided to join what was then Greenburgh 8, as the Warburg campus had just been donated, which would allow location of a new high school. In 1967, Hartsdale (then G7) and G8 both voted in favor of the merger. Edgemont had to go it alone and buy land.<BR/><BR/>After the Hartsdale/G8 merger, the newly formed district changed the format of the elemantary schools, so that there would no longer be neighborhood schools, but instead by grade. I dont think the Hartsdale residents expected that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-35899117574799095622007-07-03T20:18:00.000-04:002007-07-03T20:18:00.000-04:00It is definitely a fact that the Hartsdale area wa...It is definitely a fact that the Hartsdale area was part of the Edgemont school district, and that they somehow seceded and transfered to Greenburgh Central. I don't know the details; I'm guessing that it was in the 1950s or 1960s, prior to Edgemont Junior-Senior High School being built, which was the contention. (The district school used to be just in one building, Seely Place.) Perhaps there's some history at one of the districts' sites or someone at one of the district offices who knows the specifics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-63922485983581857952007-07-03T14:00:00.000-04:002007-07-03T14:00:00.000-04:00If it's true that Hartsdale's SD had a chance to j...If it's true that Hartsdale's SD had a chance to join Edgemont in the past an gave that up, that's an astounding decision. Up there with the Red Sox selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees! When did this happen? If anyone can refer me to a source, I'ld love to research this. I think it would make a fascinating magazine article to follow the different paths taken by Edgemont and Hartsdale - adjoining school districts in the same town - over the last 50 or so years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-45627646743299270652007-07-03T13:55:00.000-04:002007-07-03T13:55:00.000-04:00Lets face it the older generation has put us in a ...Lets face it the older generation has put us in a tough spot because they wanted less taxes instead of joining edgemont when they had a chance. Thanks 60 and up for what you have created.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-11544720046827608232007-07-03T13:52:00.000-04:002007-07-03T13:52:00.000-04:00you can say it's a race issue, thats just an excus...you can say it's a race issue, thats just an excuse. it's actually a poor, middle class issue; renters against home owners. Greenburgh is in such a situation because of low income housing. We need to clean up Greenburgh by getting all the low income housing people jobs and off of welfare. Welfare should be temporary like unemployment. Thats how you stop the vicious cycle of poor people from one generation to another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-7870743187228040662007-07-03T13:43:00.000-04:002007-07-03T13:43:00.000-04:006:09 anony: you had a choice between similar house...6:09 anony: you had a choice between similar house in Hartsdale and Edgemont at similar prices? The prices of houses in Edgemont SD are at least 33 to 50% higher than in GC SD, with simlar differences in property taxes. How is this possible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-15289601085392414572007-07-03T06:08:00.000-04:002007-07-03T06:08:00.000-04:00GC doesn't have poor quality instruction, but it's...GC doesn't have poor quality instruction, but it's just not to the standards of any of the other school districts serving Greenburgh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-51125084762815622262007-07-02T21:19:00.000-04:002007-07-02T21:19:00.000-04:00GC has "quality instruction". The problem is a ve...GC has "quality instruction". The problem is a very simple issue. <BR/><BR/>There is a class of parents that do not believe that educational instruction begins and ends when the bell rings at school. They reinforce the learning experience in the home. Their children enter school with some basic reading and writing skills and they continue to teach in the household. As their kids get older, they teach them the importance of educational success and support their children towards success all along the way. When their kids flounder, they look in their own backyard to see where improvements can be made. The parents and the children work very hard.<BR/><BR/>Then there is a class of parents who believe that any and all learning should be provided by their schools. When the kids are floundering, they point fingers at teachers and administration. They do not assist in the learning experience. They do not reinforce the importance of academic success. They do not hold their children or themselves accountable for failure. They do not question themselves as to what more, they as parents, can be doing. They blame, blame, blame and criticize everyone. They will not work hard towards success. <BR/><BR/>Attending GC students families fall into the latter. More and more money is spent trying to teach in 5 hours a day what needs to be taught 24 hours a day, in the home. It's impossible to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-42625319396196250752007-07-02T18:09:00.000-04:002007-07-02T18:09:00.000-04:00When I moved here, I had a choice between two simi...When I moved here, I had a choice between two similar houses at about the same price - one in Edgemont and one in Hartsdale. I chose Edgemont because of the schools; not because of race but because of student achievement data. Student achievement at GC is fine but not stellar, and I think that's where GC's focus needs to be - quality of instruction. I'd actually rather send my kids to more racially diverse schools, but not at the expense of quality instruction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-20647847763893206222007-07-02T17:15:00.000-04:002007-07-02T17:15:00.000-04:00*raises hand* Pulled out.and.......Bloods! Crips! ...*raises hand* Pulled out.<BR/><BR/>and.......<BR/><BR/>Bloods! Crips! After spending the last 10 hours with a 12 year old girl in GC my head is spinning. Poor thing is afraid for her life to on into Woodlands. She's white and has had her share of problems for just being so. She's very afraid.<BR/><BR/>so......<BR/><BR/>Say what you will but I'll never, ever think of putting my kids back in. EVER.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33594888.post-61701619383589089802007-07-02T17:03:00.000-04:002007-07-02T17:03:00.000-04:00Mine went to private schoolsMine went to private schoolsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com