Monday, November 09, 2009


Here is a quick summary of 2009 tennis revenue and 2009 tennis expenses. For example private tennis revenue took in $9720 while our cost for instructors $7709.

Revenue (tennis permits, daily admission, tennis group instruction, clinics, and leagues) $108,460

Expenses (director, assistant director, instructors and attendants, tennis supplies) $103,257


Michael Kolesar said...

Is there an analysis available that one can download to look at this? Who provided the data? With all due respect to Parks % Rec, if it didn't come from the Comproller's office and that is the only activity that is audited, I have my doubts about whether these costs include everything that they should.

Soory if I sound a bit "jaded", but I know from first hand experience.

Anonymous said...

Why keep this program open .The town makes Five thousand plus as profit.
How much have you padded these figures??
I suggest you go over all the figures again and try to come up with an honest answer even if it shows how incompetent the town officials are.

Anonymous said...

Not enough profit. time to kill it

Anonymous said...

Its RECREATION its not there to make a profit....look up parks and recreations mission statement

hal samis said...

Mike, I'm writing without the Budget in front of me but perhaps you, even as an mere accountant, are familiar with the concept of capital expenditures and even maintenance as an operating expense.

The former doesn't occur every year but when looking at a "division's" p&l, wouldn't it be proper to amortize these costs over a period of years? And that one needs to consider this expense and not just look at tennis possible without incurring any costs to the tennis courts themselves? In the case of the latter, how wrong am I to assume that there is some annual maintenance undertaken to make the courts usable.

If memory serves, one of the benefits for signing up with Sportime was that they would take over the sizeable cost of maintaining the facilities.

And again, running on memory, might the same thing be said about the swimming pool at AV Park. Isn't it due for extensive refurbishing at considerable expense?

So when you get a chance, maybe you can solve this riddle?

What do the tennis programs, the swimming programs and the nutrition program have in common?

Anonymous said...

These numbers don't add up and don't appear in the town budget in any event. Total expenses for 2009 include $32,077 for a tennis director, $10,955 for an assistant tennis director, $42,276 for "tennis instructors" $5,764 for "private tennis instruction," and $3,906 for "tennis supplies." Total expenses for 2009 come to $94,978, not the number Feiner's come up with. Not even close.

The revenue side is anybody's guess. There's nothing attributable in the town budget to tennis. There's $440,000 for "recreation fees" and another $410,000 for "AFV Park fees." Without a breakdown of actual expenses and revenue, there's no way to know whether any of the number Feiner provides have any basis in reality. He could have just made them up for all anyone knows.

When a town supervisor can't even identify basic numbers from his own budget, it should be obvious the Town's got a big problem.

Anonymous said...

Well, look at the bright side. At least it is losing 3.5 million a year like TDYCC is.

Anonymous said...

Paul doesn't know what's what. He pulls #'s out of his weenie.

hal samis said...

No, what this is about is that at the meeting at the Library Thursday night, Paul had Gerry Byrne on hand, all primed to talk about the nutrition program. When I asked, instead, about the Tennis programs, Mr. Byrne was at a loss. In turn, Feiner is quoting Byrne and its a typical case of the blind being led by the bound.

Of course, conveniently the Town Comptroller was on vacation.

hal - havent you heard? said...

havent you heard of feinernomics

career politicans win
ex detectives double dip
sheehanigans builds ramps for no one
taxpayers.... well they keep paying for it all

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Michael Kolesar said...

Hal (4:48 PM),

Without getting into a long discussion of what costs should or should not be included in any given analysis, you are correct that maintenance and debt service should be considered. That being noted, some of these costs might be related to just providing tennis courts without any instruction. Unfortunately, just as I found out when I analyzed the nutrition program in detail last year, what someone "says" in not necessarily a "fact".

One thing is certain about this Town, you could demonstarte beyond any doubt that something is incorrect and the egos just won't admit that they've been making a mistake. Note Ms. Beville and the "seven" year Cablevision franchise contract. Did she ever own up?

Anonymous said...

Is it fun always being negative?

Anonymous said...

11:03: you crack me that the best response you can manage?

John Malone said...

Hal, maybe it's about time you move to a town that doesn't have tennis, swimming,softball or any other recreation programs. Maybe you'll be a little happier.

Anonymous said...

John: These cranks prefer being angry.

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who can defend these? said...

who can honestly defend private tennis lessons sponsored by town govt in 2009?

who can defend an arts council position where among other things artists get a free ride on any sales?

who can defend a town having two seperate but equal recreation depts?

who can defend a town that runs a nutrition program that chiefly benefits other towns?

Anonymous said...

I don't think you can look at individual programs. Some will make more than others. I think the larger picture is Parks & Rec as a whole. We already know that user fees are too low; particularly camp fees. We also know that we are running to departments - TDYCC is a department all it's own. I think we're wasting time and energy by picking apart the programs - let's concentrate on the total - this would bring in Hal's comments about cap. impr. for park & rec - you have to look at the entire pie - not the individual slices. Someone on the TB also has to be brave enough to say that the TDYCC should fall under parks & rec - they should have a depurty comm. or asst. comm. but certainly don't need an entire redundancy of admininstration. Their finances should be crystal clear -

Anonymous said...

John Malone the Fairview firefighter???? Since when are you a Feiner apologist? Did Kevin Morgan tell you what to write?

Anonymous said...

7:10 is entirely correct. There should only be one Parks & Recreation department. TDYCC should fall under the P&R dept.

I'm amuses that Feiner wants consolidation of the Fire Districts to save taxes yet he's guilty of the massive waste of tax money supporting 2 recreation departments. 'tis a bit crazy and pretty indicative of the madness in his head.

hal samis said...

To Mr. Malone et al
When I write on this blog, I select representative examples of what the 2010 and 2009 and 2008...budgets are really about.

I don't have a vote and I don't control the Town Board. Nor do I expect that the Town Board will change anything just because I make these points. I'm hoping that readers will understand that the public face of the Town Board is that they are seeking to keep taxes down yet they keep all sorts of frou frou in the budget because it wins them votes from limited sectors. Just how many residents partake of tennis lessons? They never tell you, do they?

Furthermore, it is not possible in this format or in 5 minute comment at a Public Hearing to do justice by reviewing the entire Budget. The Town Board knows this which is why this year they only have scheduled one Town Board meeting in November and one in December. By so doing, they have further limited public comment.

Fortunately as a renter I don't pay taxes. But what is puzzzling is that apparently those who object to my comments must be from persons who want to pay more taxes and welcome tax increases. Since Mr. Malone is one of those who cannot countenance any criticisms that would seek to curtail NOT ELIMINATE recreation spending, perhaps he would volunteer to pay this year's tax increase for any bloggers who are concerned.

What may be worse is the thought that Mr. Malone is reading challenged and is unable to understand that eliminating private tennis instruction does not mean closing the tennis courts while other recreational programs weren't even mentioned.

Note to Town Supervisor: Before seeking consolidation, perhaps you want to examine if Fire District operating budgets are the result of responding to alarms that never rang.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Samis - do you really believe that part of your rent does not reflect property taxes. The only difference is I can deduct it, you can't.

Anonymous said...

Exactly. The landlord pays taxes for the rental property which is factored into the rent.

Anonymous said...

Hal, John Malone only made $192,000 as a firefighter. He can afford to pay Feiner's taxes.

Anonymous said...

Boy being a fireperson in Fairview really pays off and Feiner finds fault in the Greenville fire department salaries.
Feiner did not Malone make more money than Schumer,Lowey and any other city or state official .
the same words were uttered when it came to the Greenville firemen.Why did you not include Fairview salaries??

Anonymous said...

So now we here that DPW will be working on Veteran's Day at double time time to pick up leaves. Let's see at around $54 a hour for 8 hours times around 20 men, that's about $9,000 for the day. Now that's a cost saving device.

hal samis said...

Obviously being in Real Estate and familiar with how the Rent Guidelines Board (RGB) arrives at its annual increases I know that real estate taxes are one of the factors that determine the amount of the increase. But give me a break.

Let say that rent is $1000 a month. That already includes the apartment's portion of last year's real estate taxes, school taxes, fire district taxes, heat, water, the superintendent...

This year the RGB granted a 4.5% one year renewal increase. That means the lease will be renewed at $1045 (per month). The additional $45 per month x 12 months comes to $540 a year. And that $540 increase also includes (again) real estate tax increase, school tax increase,
fire district tax increase, heat, water, superintendent wage increase (union) and maybe a couple of bucks for the landlord.
So when I consider the $480 higher cost (4.5%) and view it within the context of all that it includes, I tell you that the real estate tax portion of the monthly rent is insignificant.
So go ahead and deduct your real estate taxes and you can look forward to even higher deductions under Feiner. Because if deducting real estate taxes is your goal, then Feiner's your man.

I can survive forgoing an estimated $300 annual deduction.

indefensible said...

dear who can defend:

no one can defend them unless you sit on the greenburgh town board or are employed by the same board.

edgemint.... please start the ball rolling out of out feinerville (thats feiner-beville)

Michael Kolesar said...

Dear Mr. Malone:

Thank you for posting under your name. However, I can’t write that I agree with you. Your posting reminds me of the late 1960’s and early 1970’s when many people said to the Vietnam War protestors, love it (our country) or leave it.

Tomorrow is Veterans Day. I am a Vietnam era veteran. I served our county for two full years on active duty and I have served to protect our constitution and all the rights and privileges related thereto. Hal Samis has every right to voice his opinion as do you and as do I.

I strongly suspect that you have no idea how screwed up this Town is in terms of its finances and internal controls. FOIL for my memo to the Town Board dated March 24, 2009 and see what you get. Most of it will be redacted because they (the Town Board) don’t want taxpayers to really know what’s going on. If there were any major errors, I can assure you that the Town Board would have released the entire text to discredit me. They haven’t, they won’t, and they can’t.

Anonymous said...

Paul pick up the leaves on Saturday for 1 1/2 pay noy double time on a holiday. it's not rocket science!

Anonymous said...

Oh they are doing that also!!

John Malone said...

Anonymous 7:23,12:09,12:30 You are probaly the same Gutless person! Sign your name when you write, or call me, I'm in the book, and we can talk about it!

Taxed said...

This is another example of Greenburgh 's detailed,comprehensive and professional financial analysis. This explains our tax increases.

hal samis said...

Sorry to interrupt but the Supervisor hasn't left an appropriate opening elsewhere.

I consider this, the follow-up to an email sent Thursday, to be a reasonable reaction following my written concerns being ignored.

Sent to the Town Board, Town Attorney, DPW, Buildings, the Library Board of Trustees, Town Fire Marshall a little while ago.

"Last week I sent the Town Board and the appropriate Town departments an email regarding my concerns regarding "evacuation" of the Children's area at the Library -- in event of a fire. It was predicated upon the premise that a fire in the area of the Assistant Library Director's Office would rule out any other exit possibilites save the one emergency exit in the far corner of the children's room. Generally, you don't direct those fleeing a fire in the direction of the source. I had requested that the email be forwarded to the appropriate Fire Department administration and assumed you would contact the Town Fire Marshall or one of the near-by Fire Districts.
On Monday, I forwarded a copy to Mr. DeSimone to make sure that he was aware of my concerns and I added a request seeking information as to on what basis room occupancy is determined -- in situations where the room set-up is not only seating. He too has not replied.

I am certainly aware of what regard you have for me but that does not excuse any of you from not responding to a legitimate concern that none of you were even accused of creating. This concern, furthermore, is one that may very well be one that might save a child or children should the events described ever occur. I cannot believe that your issues with me would allow you to ignore a well-intentioned notice concerning public safety but as of this writing I have not even received confirmation from any department copied -- and this is absolutely the wrong way to deal with any resident who brings you similar notice. I'm not looking to be right here; just to be sure that safety, even safety over existing code, be the guiding light.

At the very least, the furniture blocking access to the sole emergency exit in the children's room presents a fire hazard. Whereas I believe that the entire contents of my earlier email are valid and worthy of investigation, there is no excuse for not treating it as a priority matter and providing a lucid response to the sender."

Anonymous said...

Independence for Edgemont

Tennis Court Commission said...

It has been reported that an independent and objective commission headed by Alan Hochberg will be named to study the various tennis courts throughout Greenburgh.

hal samis said...

Part 2 (space constraints)

In the Thursday email, I pointed out that all the exits on the second floor of the Library would not be accessible were there a fire in the area leading to the children's area. A fire at this location would rule out the outdoor bridge, the main stairway, the elevator, the elevator in the reference area and the exit door in the corner of the reference area.

The ONLY exit left is on the Elmsford side/Tarrytown Road emergency exit, a not particularly wide (probably code compliant) but certainly not easily accessible due to the approaches to it are cluttered with chairs, tables, easy chairs, bookshelves etc. effectively blocking all but a well-disciplined and orderly line of young to very young children.

Common sense sends a clear message that in the event of a fire, think (heat, exploding glass, smoke and flames) and add (toddlers, children and young adults) to the mix and you have a recipe for disaster.

I don't care about whether the code allows this situation. If there is agreement that such a situation is dangerous, then action needs to be taken, yesterday. If we can spend $175,000 on a handicapped ramp just in case someone might use it, then I think that the people who are the Town government and its Department heads need to rethink their priorities when the possibility of promoting literacy in the young is secondary to avoiding their deaths or injury.

And the answer might be in just rearranging the furniture to provide clear paths to the door although I don't really think that this is the answer.

What I think though is that the Town Board and the Library should not be ignoring this. And the Supervisor can take his Certificate of Appreciation and shove it...

Anonymous said...

Why are the lights on in the library all night long?

Anonymous said...

The blazing library lights are an example of how Greenburgh gives lip service to energy conservation but does not really comply with the true essence of saving energy.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Kolesar:

If things in the town are so bad why isn't some independent agency investigating? If not how can we ask for an investigation?

As for the leaf collection on Veterans Day according to the sanitation schedule it is not a holiday for the sanitation crew.

Anonymous said...

How much money was waisted on resurfacing the tennis courts without fixing the flooding problem first. Whatever the cost was it should be deducted from the commissioners pay. Why would you repair a tennis court before you fix the problem. I hope this isn't how all of the jobs get done at AFV

Michael Kolesar said...

Dear Anonymous 4:54 PM:

Why are you afraid to identify yourself?

Who said that there are no "investigations" on going?

If you are so concerned, what have YOU done?

If I had more information about you, I could give you some advice.

Call me, but you'll have to identify yourself.

To John Malone (3;33 PM)

I share your pain / anger, even if I don't agree with you. I too have been the "victim" of personal attacks on this blog by gutless, anonymous posters. Sorry, but welcome to the club.

Thank a Veteran said...

A lesson that should be taught in all schools . . And colleges

Back in September, on the first day of school, Martha Cothren, a social studies school teacher at Robinson High School, did something not to be forgotten. On the first day of school, with the permission of the school superintendent, the principal and the building supervisor, she removed all of the desks out of her classroom.

When the first period kids entered the room they discovered that there were no desks.

'Ms.. Cothren, where're our desks?'

She replied, 'You can't have a desk until you tell me how you earn the right to sit at a desk.'

They thought, 'Well, maybe it's our grades.'

'No,' she said.

'Maybe it's our behavior.'

She told them, 'No, it's not even your behavior.'

And so, they came and went, the first period, second period, third period. Still no desks in the classroom.

By early afternoon television news crews had started gathering in Ms.Cothren's classroom to report about this crazy teacher who had taken all the desks out of her room.

The final period of the day came and as the puzzled students found seats on the floor of the deskless classroom, Martha Cothren said, 'Throughout the day no one has been able to tell me just what he/she has done to earn the right to sit at the desks that are ordinarily found in this classroom. Now I am going to tell you.'

At this point, Martha Cothren went over to the door of her classroom and opened it.

Twenty-seven (27) War Veterans, all in uniforms, walked into that classroom, each one carrying a school desk. The Vets began placing the school desks in rows, and then they would walk over and stand alongside the wall... By the time the last soldier had set the final desk in place those kids started to understand, perhaps for the first time in their lives, just how the right to sit at those desks had been earned..

Martha said, 'You didn't earn the right to sit at these desks. These heroes did it for you. They placed the desks here for you. Now, it's up to you to sit in them. It is your responsibility to learn, to be good students, to be good citizens. They paid the price so that you could have the freedom to get an education. Don't ever forget it.'

By the way, this is a true story.

hal samis said...

It must be time for treacle.
Deck of Cards -- Wink Martingale

During the North African Campaign,
a bunch of soldiers had been on a long hike,
and they arrived in a little town called Casino.
The next morning, being Sunday, several of the boys went to church.
A Sargent commanded the boys in church,
and after the chaplain had read the prayer,
the text was taken up next.
Those of the boys who had a prayer books took them out,
but, this one boy had only a deck of cards,
and so he spread them out.
The Sargent saw the cards and said, "Soldier, put away those cards".
After the services were over, the soldier was taken prisoner,
and brought before the Provost Marshall.
The marshall said " Sergeant, why have you brought this man here?"
"For playing cards in church Sir."
"And what have you to say for yourself Son?"
"Much, Sir," replied the soldier.
The marshall said, " I hope so, for if not,
I shall punish you more than any man was ever punished."
The soldier said, "Sir, I have been on the march for about six days,
I have neither Bible nor prayerbook, but I hope to satisfy you, Sir,
with the purity of my intentions."
And with that, the boy started his story.
"You see sir, when I look at the Ace,
it reminds me that there is but one God,
and the deuce, reminds me that the bible is divided
into two parts, the old and the new testament.
When I see the trey, I think of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost.
And when I see the four,I think of the four Evangelists who preached
the Gospel There was Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
And when I see the five, it reminds me of the five wise virgins
who trimmed their lamps, there were ten of them,
Five were wise and were saved, five were foolish,
and were shut out.
When I see the six, it reminds me that in six days,
God made this great Heaven and Earth.
When I see the seven, it reminds me that on the seventh day,
God rested from His great work.
And when I see the eight, I think of the eight righteous persons
God saved when he destroyed this Earth.
There was Noah, his wife, their three sons, and their wives.
And when I see the nine, I think of the lepers our Saviour cleansed,
and, nine out of the ten, didn't even thank him.
When I see the ten, I think of the ten commandments,
God handed down to Moses on a table of stone.
When I see the king, it reminds me that there is but one King of Heaven,
God Almighty.
And when I see the Queen, I think of the Blessed Virgin Mary,
Who is Queen of Heaven, and the Jack of Knaves is the Devil.
When I count the number of spots in a deck of cards,
I find 365, the number of days in a year.
There are 52 cards, the number of weeks in a year.
There are four suits, the number of weeks in a month.
There are twelve picture cards, the number of months in a year.
There are thirteen tricks, the number of weeks in a quarter.
So, you see Sir, my pack of cards serves me as a Bible,
an Almanac, and a prayerbook.
And Friends, the story is true, I know,
I was that soldier.

free edgemont from tyranny said...

you dont need an empty classroom or a deck of cards to know that edgemont is being taken for a ride in the circus called town of greenburgh.

astorino, please come to edgemont

free edgemont from tax tyranny.

Anonymous said...

5:29 unfortunately that in general is how the town has been operating for years. One band aid after another.

Anonymous said...

People stay anonymous for a variety of reasons, none that need to be explained. 4:54 has no reason to explain and neither do I. And I agree with 4:54, if the rants on this blog are to be believed, this town is conspiracy heaven. Where are the investigations? People like to stir the pot, post a bunch of "contact me" blogs and never prove a freakin' thing. Prove your worth next time around and run for office.

Anonymous said...

Some of the anonymous posts from angry and disgruntled residents are written during working hours. I wonder if their employers (if they are employed) know what they are doing on company time.

Anonymous said...

Do you mean Paul Feiner??????

Anonymous said...

Yes. Paul spends a great deal of his time, on our dime, self promoting on this blog and elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Hal you brought back many memories with the Deck of Cards.
Thank you .

Anonymous said...

Hey John Malone, did your $192,000 salary strike a nerve that everybody now knows what you make for riding around all day and sleeping half the night.

Anonymous said...

John Malone your own buddies are turning you in. Did you ever hear of the phrase the best word is the one that is not uttered.
You opened up a can of worms so now you have to pay the price.
You thought you were a big guy well think again.

Anonymous said...

Hal Samis says he was that soldier. Was he in the North Africa campaign? That was 65 years ago. Is Hal 85 years old? Or is he lying? Or his usual BS.

hal samis said...

Damn it, you got me 7:13. What was I thinking? That I could throw a fast ball or curve past a power hitter like you. I guess I've really got to get up earlier to get a head start on you...

You're right! I screwed up the last name. It's Wink Martindale, not Martingale as I had typed.

Or did you really, really honest Injun, cross your fingers and hope to die or bet your mother's life think that "I was that soldier"?

Maybe you should go to the search engine of your choice and look up Wink Martindale. Why do you think I typed it? Or even, go to the dictionary and look up "treacle".

There may be legitimate reasons for posting as anonymous. So far, using the Feiner blog as the point of reference, the overwhelming reason why people post as anonymous is that they are stupid.
You're doing a good job of proving the legitimacy of this observation.

Anonymous said...

Many thanks Hal. Although I am not the anonymous poster you are attacking, I did always suspect that I was stupid. Happy to have a rational opinion such as yours confirm it.

hal samis said...

Dear 9:31, anonymous "(alone)again, naturally)"

Here's your comment:

Anonymous said...
Many thanks Hal. Although I am not the anonymous poster you are attacking, I did always suspect that I was stupid. Happy to have a rational opinion such as yours confirm it.

11/11/2009 9:31 PM

And here's the comment I had responded to:

Anonymous said...
Hal Samis says he was that soldier. Was he in the North Africa campaign? That was 65 years ago. Is Hal 85 years old? Or is he lying? Or his usual BS.

11/11/2009 7:13 PM

I note that your response refers to my posting as "NOT THE ANONYMOUS POSTER YOU ARE ATTACKING".

You don't seem to have a problem with what 7:13 writes about me, like this being an example of "attacking" come to mind; only how I responded at 8:20 to his/her ignorance.

RATIONAL opinions still rule.

Anonymous said...

Rational opinions? Not with Samis. Only striking out at people.

hal samis said...

And when have I been wrong?

when samis was wrong said...

only when you thought kevin morgan looked good (at least on paper)

turned out he was just a double dipper who was clueless about governing and making tough budget decisions.

outside of that mistake, your record is nearly perfect

Anonymous said...

Don't forget that Samis supported Feiner against Berger, or that he promised "big surprises" last spring.

berger was a joke said...

well feiner did crush berger didnt he
berger was a stoolie for spano

in this case, samis was right

Michael Kolesar said...

I hate to get back on a topic, but is there an analysis that the public can examine regarding the tennis activities. I hope that it is not built on the same "economic" thinking that runs the Town's pricing of the giveawys in the nutrition program to the Towns of Eastchester and Mt. Pleasant.

As usual, no response from the Supervisor, he who talks about transparency, but doesn't walk the walk

Anonymous said...

Am I missing something?

Why are we wasting all this time talking about $100k when the TDYCC is a drain of $4 million? plus capital expenditures to keep Mike and Hal happy.

how to kill the tdycc said...

is time to explore a way to get the issue of the tdycc and the town running two recreation departments before the public

perhaps the justice department that joined in on the housing desegregation lawsuit will explore this

if not, and the voters keep putting in the same crew on the town board, the non fairview part of the the tov should support edgemint to become a village

that would probably end the immoral tdycc

Anonymous said...

None of the people working on Edgemont's incorporation has any interest in "killing" the TDYCC. Instead of serving the Westchester region, the TDYCC should serve the people for whom it was created: the Fairview and North Elmsford neighborhood, and there is no reason why it can't be run under the auspices of a single Town parks and rec department. TDYCC would do a much better job and be far less controversial if it went back to its original mission.

Michael Kolesar said...

To Anonymous 11:18 PM:

This topic did start about tennis. It was the Supervisor who created it. I was the person who posted the analysis of the estimated net cost of the TDYCC at $ 4 million.

How about asking the Supervisor to create a topic about just the TDYCC and then everyone can post their comments there.

If one insn't interested in the subject of tennis revenues and tennis costs, then just skip this topic.

hal samis said...

"I'll go where the music takes me".

Mike is right. The Supervisor has generously created topics about the Arts Council and private tennis lessons. He knows that neither make any sense in this economy and are an unnecessary strain upon taxpayers' wallets. Nevertheless he is still going to stick it to you because he believes it is ok to use the savings of all taxpayers to subsidize the few voters that he is courting.

In today's Scarsdale Inquirer is the Feiner notion that if the sale of surplus land isn't a success, he will unwillingly use the fund balance. You don't see him saying that he will eliminate private tennis lessons or the arts "council".

There are other items that time permitting at the Public Hearing will be brought up. They too will be ignored. These two were selected by me because I believe that are blatantly undefendable yet return year after year.

Ok, they did finally agree to drop the Hartsdale Sculpture Curator.

If everyone is happy paying more and more taxes every year, that is their right. However, if you do object, know that being led onto the highway of moving sanitation vehicles is only intended to target you as road kill. No one wants fewer garbage pick-ups and no one wants less cops on patrol: that is why the Supervisor steers the "debate" to these "threatened" areas and away from the little things which add up. The public says it doesn't want essentials cut; the Town Board throws up its hands and bows to the will of the people. The people have "spoken" to support higher taxes and "what's the use of wondering if he's good or if he's bad, he's your Supervisor and you love him; that's all there is to that". (from Carousel)

That in a sentence or two is how budget season begins and ends. "Not with a bang but with a whimper". (T.S. Elliot)

Anonymous said...

You will never get rid of the TDYCC, so you might as well stop talking about it. Feiner would not be able to cope with the riots at Town Hall. And then you have to hope that no children get into trouble because the center is closed. They will have an excuse for doing it.

tdycc should be downsized said...

its irrelevant what the intentions of edgemint are regarding the tdycc.

once they incorporate, the rest of the TOV will have a bankruptcy inducing 23% loss of tax revenue.

and with astorino closing or selling playland, dont look for the county to step in.

perhaps the YMCA or some other not for profit will take it over but with the edgemint subsidy gone, the tdycc as we know it will no longer be able to spend millions without any accountability or scrutiny.

from your lips to gods ear said...


Paul Revere said...

Go Independence for Edgemont!
No taxation without representation.

Anonymous said...

Paul you and Jerry are flip flopping again.
Why can't you both come up with some honest figures instead of screwing us over and over again.

Anonymous said...

Hal Hal Hal,

You've been wrong a bunch of times. Where to start?

How about your rant against the shoveling of the ramp at the library? What's wrong about that is a) they need to be ADA compliant, and b) the town will take care of it. But is was cloaked in major conspiracy theories from you.

Here's another one: your mccarthy-like questioning at a town board meeting about whether or not union contracts were negotiated in pubic - there was no requirement to do so, but you were WRONG in trying to raise it as a conspiracy against mankind (and of course Greenburgh).

You were wrong about the parking issue at the library. There is none except in your head. See conspiracy theory above.

You were wrong about the citing the library's ability to move money within their budget as a budget issue for the town - I've asked you before on this, what do you care? It is movement within their established budget.

You continue to be wrong in your approach to better this town. I actually think you do have some good ideas but your delivery is so off the wall you will only continue to alienate the majority instead of engaging people to follow you (witness your lack of appointment to any board/committee of substance in this town).

Chill babe. Learn to work with people. You might go somewhere (in Greenburgh, at least - that seems to be your goal).

hal samis said...

Huh, huh, huh...

To be wrong, I have to be wrong about something that I did, not what you say I did or what you say I said. In order of appearance...

How do they remove the snow off the ramp? Where is it taken from and where does it go but ahead or behind from where it will be shoveled or where it was shoveled, from level to level. Was this your best shot? The ramp was not and is not an ADA requirement.

Is asking the Town Attorney the question: "was the contract discussed at an open meeting?" a McCarthy-like question session? The Town treated each contract as a separate matter; thus each separate matter required the question to be asked so as to appear in each transcript. And as far as you think you know, there is no requirement but you are invited to bring this up again in about 14 months.

What part of the Library parking "issue" am I wrong about?
That the parking is now farther away from the front door than the spaces no one would use at the old Town Hall? That the requirement was for 154 spaces and a variance was obtained to reduce the parking to 120 spaces? That the "legal" occupancy for the multipurpose room is 283 spaces and that there might be others using the remainder of the library at the same time and thereby a substantial shortfall in parking availability with little cure from nearby offsite properties.

"Move money within their budget? You've asked before?" Asked and answered, you're still wrong. Money not spent within the standard line item GROUPS can be shifted among groups by vote; otherwise it goes back to the L Fund. How do you think the L Fund got to over $400,000 at one point: "your rich uncle has died and left you over $400,000"? Once in the fund, it comes back to bring joy, happiness and wassel. And don't forget about the annual contingency line and the fraudulent "Special Request" that was granted but not used for the purpose.

But even were I wrong on these citations which I am not, you haven't compiled a very dramatic or impressive list of mistakes for ten years of activism.

So you offer your version of diplomacy in your final paragraphs. That would be your free advice teaching "learn to work with people".
A noble idea had one not read your posting and saw in order:

rant, major conspiracy theories, mccarthy-like questioning, conspiracy against mankind, you continue to be wrong, your lack of appointment to any Board.

Hey, lucky I don't depend on friends like you "when you need a helping hand...winter, spring, summer or fall"

Golly, the gold standard of acceptance in your book is being appointed to a Town board or committee or even the lowest LEED certified ranking, the coveted Certificate of Appreciation.

My only regret and subsequent wish is that if I could live my life over I could come back as Alan Hochberg or "white lie Rosenberg" et al.

I'll just have to live with "when the one great scorekeeper comes to write against your name, he'll write not that you won or lost but how you played the game".

Rice is nice.

Anonymous said...

Who would want to take over this town government that has turned out to be the most disgraceful?
There are no words to express the dishonesty of some of the board members.
I'm sure if Samis wanted to try for someone seat he would have Do you think he's that crazy at this time to take over a sinking ship.
Has not anyone noticed that almost all the public is questioning where our tax dollars are going.
More and more services are being taken away while we are paying more.
Samis ,Krause,Bernstein,Prieser and many others have opened the publics eyes as to how this town board operates.BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
We have a town attorney who lord only knows where he came from but he does not know right from wrong .
How can he uphold the law when he has no goverening skills.
Yes maybe there will be someone to take over the slots after the dishonest few leave,which I do hope will be soon.

Anonymous said...

It has been reported that the independent and objective Alan Hochberg will run for Sonya Brown's seat at Feiner's behest next election since Sonya has questioned a few of Paul's typically well thought out ideas.

Anonymous said...

I would have thought it would have been Rosenberg.

Murghk said...

Sonja is/was a recipient of Feiner's "workforce" housing - copping a nice little house donated by the Town of Greenburgh (a government) and restored by Habitat for Humanity (an evangelical Christian organization - see their excellent website for confirmation).
Does anyone sitting on the Town Board or on the bench ever think about why this sort of thing might be "right" but can't be done because it is unconstitutional? Oh, wait. The Supervisor has sworn to uphold only the laws he "believes in."
Will Ms. Brown lose her housing if she isn't re-elected? Under Feiner's push to make housing available to volunteer firefighters, municipal workers and teachers, she would.
Think about it.

hal samis said...

Is Sonja also a recipient of a free ride on the Xposure train and a free ride for summer camp?

This is not the same bus taken by freedom riders in Mississippi.

And where is Judith Beville sitting?

Anonymous said...

When did Feiner say he will enforce laws he believes in????

Anonymous said...

You're right! What Feiner actually said was that he wouldn't enforce laws he doesn't believe in.
The most recent example was his appointment to the Board of the Hartsdale Public Parking District. The law which created the HPPD requires that members of the Board be taxpayers in unincorporated Greenburgh. Mr. Feiner appointed a member who is not a taxpayer. When Feiner was told the appointment did not meet the standards set forth in the law, he responded that the law was [morally] wrong and that he would not enforce it.
He has made the same statement about his sworn duty on several other occaisons - usually when what he wants to do conflicts with the law.
If you need a more recent example of his flouting the law, watch him text as he drives, or fail to put money in a parking meter...