Sunday, January 04, 2009


The indoor pool will re-open Monday at the Theodore Young Community Center. A part was installed today. Sorry for any inconvenience.


Anonymous said...

Where were the swimmers swimming in the mean time.
When something is not available one finds other methods to satisfy their habits.
Paul can't you see further than your nose. We do not need the center.
Stop taking our hard earned money to run a failing facility.

Anonymous said...

As one of the swimmers who uses this pool, I used this time to take long walks and birdwatch. I missed swimming but other facilities are much more expensive and I don't make 6 figures.

This is not a failing facility. Just come to the TDYCC one day and watch the activity. It could use more money to improve what it already has. In fact, they need more space.

Anonymous said...

Well you need more space are you willing to pay for it I know I'm not.

Well other places have higher rates to use the pools .Thats the problem with Greenburgh they give away the services rendered at this facility.
The town does not know how to be in business.
In fact this board cannot even run a half decent town
Turn the pool over to a business and let's see how it should be run.

Anonymous said...

Private Pool?

If a business took over the TDY Pool,the entire nature of the program would change.Some uninformed people think running a community center as a bussiness would be an improvemnet.
They couldn't be more wrong. Imagine a world where profit is King. No handicaped parking spaces Unsafe products,and no reguard for clean air and water.The rich are treated one way, the middle class another.
Goverment insurance fairness and speading the wealth and recources serves the majority, not just a select few.

Anonymous said...

What are you nuts? Every place I go has handicapped spots. The YWCA are the most kind and caring and genuinely concerned about diversity.

Anonymous said...

The price at the Y is just right for many of us but those that have
been swimming at the center cannot pay the Y's fee because they have gotten freebees all these years.
There is nothing wrong with the housekeeping or the pool water at the Y.
Naturally when you receive everything for free you always find fault with the other establishments.
Smarten up freebees will end with the next election.

Anonymous said...

We are all accepted at the Y.

Can't say that about the center.

mind blowing said...

It could use more money to improve what it already has. In fact, they need more space.


Anonymous said...

The Y is just fine. camps, pools, gyms, classes,........

Everyone is welcome. Those who can not pay can join for free, provided they furnish financials showing that they can't afford to pay.

This is not the case at TDYCC. The abuse of those who use the center & do not pay, when they are financially able to do so, is staggering.

The abuse is encouraged and expected.

Gerry Byrne put forth a Parks & Rec budget with substantive budget cuts for 2009. Why hasn't the TDYCC done they same?

Take a good look people. 3.8 million dollars and not one peep about one, single, cut to the center.

Anonymous said...

The Y does not provide people with free services. DSS offers financial assistance.

Anonymous said...

Dear 11:03,
The Y does provide financial assistance to those who can not afford it. I know this because I am a contributor to the Y and have been on the receiving end of the generosity of the Y, due to those who gave before me.

Anonymous said...

There will be no cuts made at the centers because Feiner need the votes.
Yes no one shows their tax returns whether they use the center or live in the housing complex.

They have everything coming to them for free at all the taxpayers expense.

This is the way Feiner wants it and this is the way it will be until we the taxpayers make a good sweep at town hall this coming election.

Anonymous said...

The TDYCC experienced a cut of more than 7% this year

Anonymous said...

Paul @ 11:25,
Really? The only information that I've seen has been conversations discussing cuts to TDYCC which words like "will most likely" or "looking into making cuts" or "will evaluate making cuts" have been used.

Tell me. What was cut that represents the 7%? I do not want to be misinformed.

Can you answer?

Anonymous said...

11:03 (Paul?)
Lookie what I was just sent from the Y:
Strong Kids Campaign 2009

For many children, our Camp experience would remain a distant dream if it weren’t for the generous support of friends like you. Last year, our Strong Kids Campaign received nearly $90,000 in donations and was able to help over 100 disadvantaged families send their children to camp. Sadly, the number of less fortunate children yearning to come to Camp continues to grow. We need your help!

Anonymous said...

What cuts to TDYCC? Could it be that Paul thinks that by not spending 10K on a trip to Playland, not hosting the free all-you-can-eat BBQ, not hiring thieves, charging what should have been charged for camp, this constitutes budget cuts?
3.8 million dollars and only 7% of what?
This is like saying "Hey,we won't steal and misuse some of your tax money as much this year. That's how we are making our budget cuts"
The only thing being cut is the cheese & it stinks.

Anonymous said...

TDY C/C Cuts

What a shame that the image of an entire Department is tarnished because of one person; demoted acting Commissioner Valerie Whitehead.Hopefully the Police Investigation will finally make her accountable.

Anonymous said...

Parks Department; Wastefull Spending at it BEST!

Wake up Folks. The Multi Purpose Center was 1.2 MILLION Tribute to Apartiod. A dumb building which has nevered filled to capacity.
Wake up folks,just where do all of that bloated 3 million dollar per year operating Parks budget go when the Veteran Pool is closed?
Remember when Veteran Park was called Scarsdale Pool and Tennis it ot only raised enough money to cover it's operating costs, but made a PROFIT!
Greenburgh takes it over and the place loses 3 million per year.

Anonymous said...

It's Apartheid you a$$ and not only can't you spell, you are in idiot.
Veterans is a TOWN pool not a COMMUNITY center.
Can you understand the difference?

You must be that Whitehead bashing, disgruntled, TDYCC employee?

Venture out of TDYCC a bit and maybe you'll learn something.

Anonymous said...

Defending the Wrong Doers

There is something very wrong with your thinking when you accuse anyone critical of Whitehead as being "disgruntled".Do you hate fairness? Do you hug wrong doers?Answer this, what ARE her assignments? While the TDY staff work hard and put in a honest day's work,she's on her cell phone all day long. This is a waste of Taxpaper dollars and a morale killer for everyone who works for the Town.
Be an attack dog if you want, but answer the question,What does she do?

Anonymous said...

Dear 8:12,
I'm not criticizing you because you criticize Whitehead. I'm criticizing YOU!

Whatever your beef with her is, you chose to then disparage Veteran's Park & the Parks Dept.and suggest "Apartiod" Why? Because you're nothing but dumb azz.

I couldn't give a rats clavicle about Whitehead in particular. There are many that shouldn't be there and I'm adding you to the list. I'm tired of this town spending millions of dollars supporting the nasty, unprofessional, racist attitudes of people like you. You think this is your little piece of the world and no one can touch it. Keep dreaming.

I hope the center gets its butt kicked in the investigation. I hope the people of Greenburgh demand that the centers budget get cut severely. TDYCC is out of control and you do nothing but prove my point.

Anonymous said...

The TDYCC is out of control because of one problem and that is Feiner.

He needs the votes so he will continue with the blindfold for the rest of this term.

Paul was thinking that the residents would let the sleeping dogs sleep.
Hey Feiner we the residents are waking up after sleeping for about twenty years and we do hope to defeat you at the pools together with two of your playmates.

Anonymous said...

Anger Management Class Needed

To 9:08 Bet you have a road rage all the time or worst still hit your kids and beat your dog.
Seek help before you hurt someone or someone hurts you.
Yeah I know, I'm "azz" LOL!!

Anonymous said...

Attack Dog Doesn't Answer the Question

Thanks I just won a free dinner.I knew no one would answer the question and use childish insults to re-derict people from the question.Hay buddy drink some "Kool Aid" from Jonestown.

Dear Lord! said...

And here we have it folks!

Let's stand up and applaud one of TDYCC's most finest employees.

Isn't it grand to know that your tax dollars pay this lovely persons salary while you're being asked to accept cuts to services, and this person stays employed?

I do not need to belabor my point as this fine humanitarian has made it for me.

Dear God! I hope this person does not work with children. This person doesn't like what you say & wishes you dead?!

Dear hopeless, mean, chip on the shoulder, can't spell or $hit, TDYCC employee,

FYI-Azz and $hit are proper spellings of the words ass & shit used on the internet so as not to use words against TOS (terms of service) rules.

"re-derict" is what?

What level of education did you complete? 8th grade?

PS I'll agree with you on one thing. Whitehead must be incompetent. She hasn't fired you.

Anonymous said...

Ask Reasonable Questions be Subject to Name Calling!

Why is it that when a person asks a reasonable question they become subject to attacks here? I feel the poster who raised the question about Whitehead's assignments( of lack of) is on point. I wouldn't want to work side by side with someone who is doing nothing all day. It sets a poor example and ignores what should be a equable work standard. I ask this attacker, would YOU like to work in such a place where there is a vast difference in the work load?
Why are you are attacking this poster? To distract from the issue being raised. I will tell you why.
When you can't answer a reasonable question, attack the person who dares ask it!
Bush did this for 8 years. Ask questions, be called Un-American.
You really need to enroll in an Anger Management Class... TODAY.
Again what are Whitehead's assignments?

Anonymous said...

Why are you are attacking this poster?

You (original poster) is asking who is attacking you.

Here's the deal. You don't like your job? Feel the boss is unfair?


Anonymous said...

To 8:51

Thank you for the great idea! I resigned today!!! You are genius!!
BTW.. I knew you wouldn't and more importantly couldn't answer the question.
Perhaps you should go back in time before Fair Labor Laws were enacted,you would be right at home LOL!!

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the great idea! I resigned today!!!

Praise be!

Anonymous said...

"Praise be..."

to Satan your Master.

Anonymous said...

Troll (Internet)
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"Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT redirect here. For the Wikipedia essay, see "What is a troll?". For other uses see Troll (disambiguation).
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

Contents [hide]
1 Etymology
1.1 Early history
2 Identity trolling
3 Usage
4 Concern troll
5 Parody
6 See also
7 References
8 External links
8.1 Troll FAQs

[edit] Etymology

Artist's conception of tuna trolling operation in fishing.The contemporary use of the term is alleged to have first appeared on the internet in the late 1980s[3], but the earliest known example is from 1991[4]. It is thought to be a truncation of the phrase trolling for suckers, itself derived from the fishing technique of slowly dragging a bait through water, known as trolling.[5] The word also evokes the trolls portrayed in Scandinavian folklore and children's tales as they are often obnoxious creatures bent on mischief and wickedness. The verb "troll" originates from Old French "troller", a hunting term. The noun "troll", however, is an unrelated Old Norse word for a giant or demon. [6]

[edit] Early history
Prior to DejaNews's archiving of Usenet, accounts of trolling were sketchy, there being little evidence to sort through. After that time, however, the huge archives were available for researchers. The most likely derivation of the word troll can be found in the phrase "trolling for newbies," popularized in the early 1990s in the Usenet group, alt.folklore.urban (AFU).[7][8] Commonly, what is meant is a relatively gentle inside joke by veteran users, presenting questions or topics that had been so overdone that only a new user would respond to them earnestly. For example, a veteran of the group might make a post on the common misconception that glass flows over time. Long-time readers would both recognize the poster's name and know that the topic had been done to death already, but new subscribers to the group would not realise, and would thus respond. These types of trolls served as a Shibboleth to identify group insiders. This definition of trolling, considerably narrower than the modern understanding of the term, was considered a positive contribution.[9][7] One of the most notorious AFU trollers, Snopes,[7] went on to create his eponymous urban folklore website.

By the late 1990s, alt.folklore.urban had such heavy traffic and participation that trolling of this sort was frowned upon. Others expanded the term to include the practice of playing a seriously misinformed or deluded user, even in newsgroups where one was not a regular; these were often attempts at humor rather than provocation. In such contexts, the noun troll usually referred to an act of trolling, rather than to the author.

[edit] Identity trolling
In academic literature, the practice was first documented by Judith Donath (1999), who used several anecdotal examples from various Usenet newsgroups in her discussion. Donath's paper outlines the ambiguity of identity in a disembodied "virtual community":[10]

In the physical world there is an inherent unity to the self, for the body provides a compelling and convenient definition of identity. The norm is: one body, one identity. ... The virtual world is different. It is composed of information rather than matter.

Donath provides a concise overview of identity deception games which trade on the confusion between physical and epistemic community:

Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly na├»ve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation." (Donath, 1999, p. 45)[1]

[edit] Usage
Application of the term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument fallacy ad hominem.

Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".[11]

Frequently, someone who has been labelled a troll by a group may seek to redeem their reputation by discrediting their opponents, for example by claiming that other members of the group are closed-minded, conspirators, or trolls themselves.

[edit] Concern troll
A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user's sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.[12]

For example, in 2006 Tad Furtado, a top staffer for then-Congressman Charlie Bass (R-NH), was caught posing as a "concerned" supporter of Bass's opponent, Democrat Paul Hodes, on several liberal New Hampshire blogs, using the pseudonyms "IndieNH" or "IndyNH." "IndyNH" expressed concern that Democrats might just be wasting their time or money on Hodes, because Bass was unbeatable.[13]

A recently declassified World War II manual on sabotage recommends such techniques to derail any effective action: "Advocate 'caution.' Be 'reasonable' and urge your fellow-conferees to be 'reasonable' and avoid haste which might result in embarrassments or difficulties later on... Be worried about the propriety of any decision — raise the question of whether such action as is contemplated lies within the jurisdiction of the group or whether it might conflict with the policy of some higher echelon." [14]

Although the term "concern troll" originated in discussions of online behavior, it now sees increasing use to describe similar behaviors that take place offline.

For example, James Wolcott in Vanity Fair[15] accused a conservative New York Daily News columnist of "concern troll" behavior in his efforts to downplay the Mark Foley scandal. Wolcott links what he calls concern trolls to Saul Alinsky's "Do-Nothings," giving a long quote from Alinsky on the Do-Nothing's method and effects:

These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, 'I agree with your ends but not your means.'
In a more recent example, The Hill published an op-ed piece titled "Dems: Ignore 'Concern Trolls'." Again, the concern trolls in question were not Internet participants; they were Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats. The author defines "concern trolling" as "offering a poisoned apple in the form of advice to political opponents that, if taken, would harm the recipient."[16]

[edit] Parody
A monster in the Munchkin card game is named the Net Troll. It is described as having "no special powers, and is really mad about it."

[edit] See also
Baiting (trolling)
Blogger's Code of Conduct
Breaching experiment
Encyclopedia Dramatica
Gadfly (social)
Hit-and-run posting
Sockpuppet (Internet)
Virtual community

[edit] References
^ trolling definition from PC Magazine Retrieved on 28 May 2007.
^ "What is a troll?" - Indiana University Knowledge Base
^ Schwartz, Mattathias (2008-08-03). "The Trolls Among Us", New York Times. Retrieved on 1 August 2008.
^ Oxford English Dictionary Online s.v. TROLL n.(1) and TROLL v., both added in June 2006
^ Usenet Newsgroup misc.invest.options 1997
^ Etymology online dictionary
^ a b c See Michele Tepper, "Usenet Communities and the Cultural Politics of Information" in David Porter, ed., Internet Culture (1997) at 48 ("[T]he two most notorious trollers in AFU, Ted Frank and snopes, are also two of the most consistent posters of serious research.").
^ One early reference to troll found in the Google Usenet archive was by user "Mark Miller," directed toward the user "Tad," on February 8, 1990, saying "Just go die in your sleep you mindless flatulent troll." However, it is unclear if this instance represents a usage of "troll" as it is known today, or if it was simply a chance choice of epithet.
^ Cecil Adams (2000-05-14). "The Straight Dope". Retrieved on 2007-08-26. "To be fair, not all trolls are slimeballs. On some message boards, veteran posters with a mischievous bent occasionally go "newbie trolling."
^ Identity and Deception in the Virtual Community
^ Example of a warning to blog participants about trolls: "do not feed the trolls." golo historians_13th's blog. Retrieved on: April 10, 2008.
^ Cox, Ana Marie (2006-12-16). "Making Mischief on the Web", Time. Retrieved on 30 March 2007.
^ Saunders, Anne (2006-09-26). "Bass aide resigns after posing as opponent's supporter online", Boston Globe, Associated Press. Retrieved on 30 March 2007.
^ OSS Simple Sabotage Manual, pdf
^ Wolcott, James (2006-10-08). "Political Pieties From a Post-Nasal Drip", Vanity Fair. Retrieved on 26 May 2008.
^ Moulitsas, Markos (2008-01-09). "Dems: Ignore 'Concern Trolls'.", The Hill. Retrieved on 26 May 2008.

[edit] External links
Look up troll in
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Please improve this article by incorporating them into the appropriate end section, or by converting them to inline citations. (September 2008)

Unconventional approach of feeding trolls, not killing them by Henk van Ess
Article on trolls and the 'art' of trolling by Steve Myers Archive of, a troll site.
What is a troll? from the Straight Dope
Trolling lore and essays
Searching for Safety Online: Managing "Trolling" in a Feminist Forum
Make Something Happen talks with a troll
Best guide to the various types of trolls
Ubuntu Forums guide to types of trolls
Interview with a self-proclaimed Troll by Lord M'Deentor
Archive of internet trolls
Malwebolence - The World of Web Trolling; New York Times Magazine, By Mattathias Schwartz; August 3, 2008.

[edit] Troll FAQs
urban75 Trolling FAQ: Comprehensive guide to the dark art of trolling
alt.troll FAQ (how-to)
alt.syntax.tactical FAQ
False repentance at MeatballWiki
The relationship between social context cues and uninhibited verbal behavior in computer-mediated communication
Moral panic and alternative identity construction in Usenet
Giveen's Guide To Internet Trolls
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